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This one is for all the new people on #Mastodon: did you know that the #fediverse has more than just a microblogging replacement? And that they can all interoperate with your Mastodon account?

Check them out!

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in reply to Sean Tilley

It’s also worth mentioning that you can integrate your #Wordpress or #Drupal blogs into the fediverse, too! So, you can natively integrate your articles, and replies on the fediverse can show up as comments on them!

WordPress: github.com/pfefferle/wordpress…Drupal: git.drupalcode.org/project/act…

in reply to Sean Tilley

I've been trying to get that Wordpress plug in to work for some years now! If they ever iron out the bugs on that and put a management interface into the dashboard, that would be great!
in reply to Adam

Admittedly, it probably needs some love. If there are any PHP devs willing to pitch it, that project would really benefit.
in reply to Sean Tilley

well, my first question is what role does Mastodon play in the digital landscape? How do you see it’s relationship to websites? I only know it as a social tool to post onto. I’m wondering if there are other functionalities that may be useful? Or is the function to have a social space that points folks to our websites?
in reply to crown

It has a pretty decent UI. It’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than previous releases. I plan on doing some theme development for it, eventually.
in reply to Sean Tilley

i only saw fika.grin.hu GUI, but it reminds me the websites around 2000. it's the myspace version of facebook? 😀
in reply to Sean Tilley

I have tried all themes and @hypolite said that all others are somehow broken. Some brokenness was experienced by yours truly and others were trusted to be so by listening to the aforementioned superhero.
in reply to crown

We’re, huh, working on it, but not having frontend people regularly contributing is definitely our Achilles’ heel
in reply to dosch

You know, aside from being a place to build a resume, I have never understood the appeal of LinkedIn.

I feel like Friendica might be an okay replacement for the social parts?

in reply to Sean Tilley

Goodness forbids we start receiving bug reports from corporate head hunters. 😰
in reply to Sean Tilley

while it's not federated (I don't think) The Storygraph is an excellent replacement for Goodreads too. Not Amazon owned and has very good features.
in reply to Sean Tilley

For this non-techie, all these new doors opening up with amazing new worlds that I had no clue existed, due to the kind and courteous tour guides is more than appreciated. The feeling is like Charlie entering the chocolate factory and seeing these amazing creations, courtesy of Willy Wonka.🤣
in reply to InfiniteOne

As someone who's been living in the chocolate factory for years, it's exciting to see new people coming in.

The internet is so much bigger and more full of possibility than the big corporate walled gardens, and I'm thrilled to be able to share that discovery!

in reply to Sean Tilley

Thank you for explaining it this way! Extremely helpful.
in reply to Sean Tilley

i remember meeting you on Diaspora back in the day ... which means we've both been in the Fediverse since before there officially *was* a fediverse 😀
in reply to Jon (now at neuromatch.social)

Actually, funny enough, the fediverse started with StatusNet. Identi.ca was the most popular instance for a very, very long time.
in reply to Sean Tilley

but was it called the fediverse then? i was on identi.ca for a while but don't remember hearing the term either there or Diaspora
in reply to Jon (now at neuromatch.social)

You know, I don't think I really heard the term much until StatusNet became GNU Social. But, I believe the term was coined by Evan Prodromou at some point.
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Sean Tilley
It might be good to open an issue, they might be able to help: github.com/pfefferle/wordpress…
in reply to Sean Tilley

Meanwhile fediverse oldies:
Twitter replacement: GnuSocial
GnuSocial replacement: Pleroma, Mastodon
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Adam
Same here. I need to find time to troubleshoot to try to narrow down the issue for a more-informative Github post. Maybe it's because I'm using an IIS server.
in reply to Sean Tilley

You are my hero. I have already started setting up accounts on several of these and will update my links page when done.

You are doing divine work here.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Twitch replacement: Owncast (owncast.online/)
in reply to Eric Redegeld

Pixelfed has something called Moments, which is apparently capable of doing videos? It might be possible once the mobile app comes out.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Wow, thanks for sharing this. I didn't know about it, but this is cool to find out about. Maybe I should update my upcoming grants... hmm.
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Sean Tilley

Instagram used to be a place where people uploaded cool photos. People can still do that there, but there's tons of ads and spam now, and the app tries to do a million things after Facebook bought it. They pretty much made it a mini-Facebook.

Pixelfed is an alternative that's open source and uses the same stuff that Mastodon uses to let servers talk to each other, and because of this, Mastodon users can also follow Pixelfed users and vice versa.

in reply to Sean Tilley

just got on peertube last night. As with mastodon just working through the kinks. But really like the whole concept of the fediverse.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Whatever happened to Diaspora? That was meant to be *the* Facebook replacement, I seem to recall...
in reply to David Bradley

I used to be the Community Manager. The project still exists, and is actively developed, but they are doing their own thing, and do not want to adopt ActivityPub.

It's completely community-run now, and no longer a startup. I wrote about my experience some here: deadsuperhero.com/planting-a-s…

I have yet to write a Part 2.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Invidious is also a pretty good replacement for YouTube ☺️
in reply to Abel

it's a great frontend for YouTube, but it still relies on YouTube. PeerTube is actually a federated platform for video that has no such dependency.
in reply to Sean Tilley

youtube.com/watch?v=czhd1eHv6a…

OOOOOH there a Youtube replacement! I don't really see how a spotify replacement can work due to copyright problems but I'll check it out later. =D

in reply to Nando's Brain

I probably should have used more general language. It's more like an open source GrooveShark, where you can store your files privately on a server, and stream it to your mobile client.

That said, people do publicly share the music they made themselves on there! I put up a few tracks on Open Audio, a Creative Commons instance.

open.audio/channels/butterflyd…

in reply to Sean Tilley

I see, I'm not very knowledgeable about anything music. But it sounds like a good place for indie and open to use tracks which is something that absolutely needs their own place around.
in reply to Sean Tilley

FunkWhale themselves say they aren’t a Spotify replacement. That comparison only works if everyone shares copyrighted content.
in reply to stringer

Yeah, it's more for private streaming of your own files. That being said, people do share their own creations publicly on it...

open.audio/channels/butterflyd…

in reply to Sean Tilley

can you use the same account and have those feeds in the one place?
in reply to Badger In His Sett

Well, you can use your Mastodon account to follow accounts in all of those places, and you'll see their stuff on your Mastodon timeline.
in reply to Rebel

I haven’t heard of one yet! But, with that being said…

I recall that the beginner’s course One Month Rails literally taught people how to code a very basic Pinterest site. Obviously, getting the federation part to work would require much more effort, but…it’s probably doable / might exist?

in reply to Sean Tilley

is there a link for that course? building an open source Pinterest would be interesting.
in reply to The Other Brook

I honestly have no idea what a full-blown Amazon replacement would even look like.

Do you just mean the book store part? 😛

in reply to Sean Tilley

Although not part of the Fediverse I recommend uk.bookshop.org as an Amazon alternative.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thanks for putting this list together.

If you don't mind the suggestion, PeerTube is just an app, not unlike [FreeTube](freetubeapp.io/), which works on the desktop. Have you looked into [Invidious](invidious.io/)?

Also, there's another Spotify alternative out there I very much like called [Resonate](resonate.coop/).

in reply to calligraffiti

the purpose of my list is that these are all federated apps that can allow Mastodon users to follow creators on their respective platforms. They aren't just apps, they are part of this ecosystem.

I'm afraid that none of the alternatives you've listed qualify on that specific criteria, though they are quite cool.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Yes, I totally get that. I was surprised that I hadn't heard of all those services! I appreciate your curation. ツ
in reply to Sean Tilley

Diaspora as well can work for Facebook or is that not on the Fediverse?
in reply to Lily

Diaspora federates, but not with most fediverse platforms. They are doing their own thing with their own protocol.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Oh, I almost forgot! There’s also a #SoundCloud replacement called Reel2Bits by @dashie ! As far as I can tell, it’s not being actively developed right now, but it works great, and could provide a basis for another music app?
in reply to SmartyPants

What people think of as "The Mastodon Network" is actually a lot bigger and a lot more diverse. There are a lot of servers running different programs than Mastodon, and offer different kinds of experiences. But they can still talk together as one network.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Cheers, That's useful.
Are there any algorithms in mastodon?
Like when I respond to your toot, will I see your toots more often?
in reply to Jakub Urbanowicz

I think Mastodon just tries its best to keep things chronological.
in reply to Sean Tilley

I know that there are more options too. Just followed a link from here to Invidious, a video platform that looks terrific. (And some parts of the Fediverse do not yet look terrific, but I won't name names and I have confidence in the missions.) What do you think of the ones you've listed? Recommendations?
in reply to Rob 🏳️‍🌈 RMiddleton.Art

Invidious is just a frontend client for YouTube. PeerTube is a fully-realized platform that actually federates.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thanks! Yes I do understand that now. As someone who has spent my recent years on only the big, typical platforms I have a lot to learn — a lot of good stuff to learn!
in reply to Sean Tilley

Are there any links on the interoperation between services? When I went to pixelfed it looked like it wan'ted to set up a new account.

I couldn't find a way to use my mastodon account or link the two? Didn't really seem that much like interoperability to me. Unless I'm missing something?

in reply to Sheepie

You don't use your Mastodon account to log in to these services. The interoperability is through federation, meaning that your Mastodon account can follow people on Pixelfed, PeerTube, etc, and be able to interact with their stuff from Mastodon.
in reply to Sean Tilley

To add to this, imagine being able to follow your friend's Instagram posts from Twitter, and when you tweet a comment in response, it automatically shows up on Instagram.

That's sorta what this is describing. You can like, follow, or comment on the "Instagrams" and "YouTubes" of this network without ever logging into a separate account. The activity on these different services can all end up in your unified feed.

If you want to post your own "Instagram-like" photos and use that app's features, you'll need to register an account on an instance running that service.

in reply to Sean Tilley

try this, next time you see a #peertube or #pixelfed (or any other federated URL), copy and paste it into your mastodon search bar. It'll find the account and let you follow it. So, you don't log in to THEIR server, but rather you remain on yours and follow them (from yours). It's fucking beautiful.
in reply to Ryan Peters

Try this one on for size: vidcommons.org/w/xeQeWbFDhLvJS…
in reply to Sheepie

If you want to follow a pixelfed account, just copy the handle of the account, including the instance (someperson.@pixelfed.social) into the search on your mastodon. If someone on Pixelfed wants to follow you, they can copy your handle. Friendica has the most interopability
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Sean Tilley

No. If you joined one of these services, you'd just have another account.

These platforms use the same communication protocol to talk to each other. You can follow any user that's on one of these platforms directly from Mastodon, and interact with them from your home timeline. This includes seeing their posts.

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Sean Tilley
Yes. There's some ongoing research in being able to do this kind of stuff with one account using the ActivityPub Client to Server API, but few platforms currently support that.
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Sean Tilley

You’ve got a few options.

Element is capable of video calls, and is a federated system using the @matrix protocol.

Jitsi is a bit more Zoom-like, and is pretty easy to use! Not federated, but totally open source.

Nextcloud Talk is a video conferencing platform that integrates directly into the Nextcloud platform. Open source, capable of federation with other Nextcloud servers, tons of benefits from the rest of the Nextcloud platform.

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Sean Tilley
Yes, they use the same activity types. A lot of photographers prefer to use something like Pixelfed for their work. The benefit is that you can follow those accounts from Mastodon, and see / interact with their photos from your own timeline, rather than needing to log into Pixelfed.
in reply to Sean Tilley

i was going to mention storygraph as a goodreads alternative but i think it isn't open source, and bookwyrm is, so i'll give it a try! thank you
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Didek
Yes, they are using Jitsi right now. And working on their own Element Call which is going to be their native Matrix client and be embeded into Element apps.
in reply to RAIJIN RISING | GhostSecGroup™

Yeah, OwnCast is amazing! I think its streaming is also compatible with PeerTube, which can also do streaming?

OBS works brilliantly with both projects.

in reply to Sean Tilley

#OBS is so good it's ubiquitous among streamers, most use either that or #SLOBS (a fork). A true triumph for #FOSS
in reply to Jürgen Hubert

actually, there are two projects for fediverse dating apps already.

github.com/lafnlab/Amore

github.com/Alovoa/alovoa

in reply to Sean Tilley

These are going to be either awesome or a total disaster.

Or both.

in reply to Sean Tilley

thank you for this very informative listing for alternative / open source services !
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thank you for this.

How do you manage all the different identities you get with these services? Should my Mastodon ID boost my Pixelfed images (for example) or can I use one identity across all of them?

in reply to Ben Smith

There isn’t a great solution yet. One workaround, as you put it, is to boost your stuff that you posted elsewhere. It’s a bit tedious, though.

A unified solution is something that I’d love to see, but requires platforms / clients to adopt the ActivityPub Client-to-Server API to make that happen. Unfortunately, it’s not as practical as the Mastodon API that most projects use instead.

A few projects support C2S, so I’m currently exploring the possibility of building unique clients that show different types of posts, with all the data living in one place, under one account.

in reply to Xerz 💗

Yeah, I’ve heard it compared to either SMTP or IMAP before. It’s actually not bad to work with at all, but requires a different way of thinking about how to put things together.

It would actually be an interesting experience to write an email-like frontend that exclusively uses C2S.

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Sean Tilley
Hubzilla is absolutely incredible, but is also probably one of the most complex / advanced projects in the entire fediverse. It really needs some UX love. If you’re a power user and have the time to configure it, though, you can build some really wild stuff with it.
in reply to Sean Tilley

You might want to consider adding
writefreely.org/
to your list
in reply to (((Baslow)))

...and I see you did. I blame the current lag time on mastodon.social for having missed it before posting.
in reply to (((Baslow)))

It’s quite alright! It’s kind of a lengthy thread at this point, and not everybody can see every part of it right away. Because of this, I’m more than happy to explain things as many times as I’m asked something. 🙂
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thank you so much for this post. I am so here for the interoperation!
in reply to Sean Tilley

Great to see you active in the 'verse again and thanks for sharing this list with newbies, but...

@sean
> Facebook replacement: Friendica

... it's really not fair to Friendica to keep making this comparison. Neither the feature set nor the UI of Friendica are anything like modern FB, so calling it a FB replacement just sets people up for disappointment and poor first impressions. IMHO We don't yet have a complete, federated replaced for FB and it's better to just be honest about that.

in reply to Strypey

I guess that’s fair. I just tend to see Friendica’s current resign as very reminiscent of what was good about Facebook’s UI prior to the Big Bad Redesign where it now looks like a PlaySkool interface.

I still think Friendica is a totally viable replacement, if you cut out the chat, games, zillions of client apps, marketplace, moments, and their video offerings.

Yeah, I guess they are pretty different nowadays.

in reply to Sean Tilley

> if you cut out the chat, games, zillions of client apps, marketplace, moments, and their video offerings

In other words, ignore the vast majority of the features people use FB for, then the comparison holds. This is kind of my point ;)

Friendica definitely offers things that Mastodon and other micro-posting platforms don't and it's well worth promoting. I just think if we're promoting fedi tools as replacements for datafarms, there must be a more accurate comparison for Friendica.

in reply to Sean Tilley

I joined Diaspora* a few years ago and I'm a little surprised to not see it on the list. Is that seen as a rival to these Fediverse apps?
in reply to Dave Waghorn

My main motivation was to provide a list of platforms that can all federate together through ActivityPub. Sadly, Diaspora is not interested in adopting that protocol, and can only talk to a few other platforms on the network (Friendica, Hubzilla, and Socialhome come to mind)
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thanks. Openness and interoperability are crucial if we're going to coax more people over from the commercial apps. Will look to set up a Friendica account soon!
in reply to Dave Waghorn

@Dave Waghorn @Sean Tilley Diaspora is not part of the fediverse. It doesn't use ActivityPub (the fediverse protocol) but has its own protocol. Friendica and Hubzilla can work with both.

grin doesn't like this.

in reply to Sean Tilley

it's like breaking out of the walled gardens to find a gang doing all the same stuff but on survival mode...without giving THE MAN anything.

Genuinely wonder if the purchase of the Birdsite might one day be looked on like buying a huge canal network just as the railway came in... there's another way!

in reply to Sean Tilley

thank you for your list of #fediverse replacement for commercial sites!
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in reply to Jutta Eckstein

It’s not perfect on the moderation side, but @matrix offers a really great client for web, desktop, and mobile called Element
in reply to 0xBrewing

It’s not perfect on the moderation side, but @matrix offers a really great client for web, desktop, and mobile called Element
in reply to Sean Tilley

fantastic post. THis is the innocation missing when monopolies use your content, creations and data to build billion dollar entities, then stymie new entrants!
in reply to Sean Tilley

Does #pixelfed do hashtag feeds like mastodon?

As a performing artist, currently most interaction we get is Ig, we're busy, but the audience uses hashtags that we then can boost (share) or pin (story) often from our phones during a break.

Assuming tavern-going folk take to a federated pixelfed and have the app at the ready, would this work the same?

We've been known to have the sousaphone player #livestream from his phone, too. Would that work with P2P streams?

in reply to teledyn 𓂀

Yes, Pixelfed uses hashtags and has a pretty neat discovery system built in!
in reply to Sean Tilley

I feel like I stumbled through a hidden portal and ended up in this parallel universe where everything just seems to be so much prettier than on the other side.
in reply to Sean Tilley

dumb newbie question: Do I follow myself on those other accounts? Tag myself in posts?Or just pop in an out of them as if they were separate social media platforms?
in reply to Once More Into the Breach

You can follow yourself, I do that to boost content I made in other places into my personal timeline here. But, you don't need a new account to follow people on other platforms - if I follow a Pixelfed photographer from this account, I'll see their photos and comments, and be able to interact with both! They will also be able to see any photos I posted from my end.
in reply to Sean Tilley

A very quick challenge here with no intent to offend. Funkwhale is not a Spotify replacement. If anyone claims it was, how do they license the music content being posted? I have read their T&Cs and they are basically transferring responsibility to the end user which is beyond grey. Aren't both signed and independent artists rewarded for the usage of their work? I couldn't find a framework or agreement between artists and producers and Funkwhale either. This would constitute theft.
in reply to Ivan 🎧

No, you're right. I got called on it further up the thread. It's more comparable to GrooveShark, in that you can upload music to a server and listen to it from your device. Still, I consider personal streaming of one's own media a type of replacement.
in reply to naught101

long-form posting, lots of utilities based around contact management, groups. In truth, it's closer to the Facebook of maybe 2015, but yeah, it's harder to draw a comparison to the newer designs.
in reply to Sean Tilley

And what about Chat? I am currently using element.io, an awesome matrix client, but I am hesitant to to expose newbies to that product until it's UX is friendlier.
in reply to Shoq

Yeah, I'm at a loss on this one. I think Element is viable, but there are still plenty of rough edges.
in reply to Sean Tilley

We have a client up and running and ready to fork, but my coding partner doesn't speak the language and doesn't have time to learn right now. I am dying to add a few simple tweaks that would fix much
in reply to Sean Tilley

What does "interoperate with your Mastodon account" mean in this context? How do they relate to each other besides using the ActivityPub protocol?
in reply to Lindsay Wardell 🏳️‍⚧️

A pretty good explanation can be found here: social.deadsuperhero.com/notic…
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in reply to Sean Tilley

how would i go about using BookWyrm from my Mastodon account here, for an example?
in reply to benjamin melançon

That's a good one! The short answer is that generally, you don't. Bookwyrm requires you to have an account on there to make reviews.

That said, you can follow that subsequent Bookwyrm account from Mastodon!

in reply to Sean Tilley

I'm on #BookWyrm as @ahynes1@books.theunseen.city

I follow that account with my Mastodon account. When I post a review on BookWyrm I then boost it in Mastodon. It is a little cumbersome, but it works and I don't review a lot of books.

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Sean Tilley

no, it's more akin to GrooveShark, where you stream your own music library from the cloud to a mobile client.

That being said, some musicians upload and share their work in public libraries that you can federate with and listen to.

in reply to Sean Tilley

I am very interested in how to use these together. Someone was just telling me about pixelfed and said I would need an account there. I’m new but totally down with with what I’m seeing, but not sure how to make literally all of this even functional. It’s already a lot to keep up with the non decentralized stuff. Any help?
in reply to Sean Tilley

[Misskey](misskey-hub.net/en) can be considered as an interesting Facebook replacement.
in reply to Sean Tilley

[Misskey](misskey-hub.net/en) can be considered as an interesting replacement for Facebook.

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