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Hypolite Petovan

Oh no, not even. Here's the gist, Mastodon is "bad" because:

  • Admins can read DMs
  • Instances can block each other
  • Instances can close

The main driver behind all three arguments was that you have to trust your instance admin which was seen as a bad thing because of pesky interpersonal relationships and people moving on.

in reply to Hypolite Petovan

@Hypolite Petovan On the fringe, I can understand how trusting your data to a faceless corporation might feel more confortable than having to think about this handful of singular beings who might have access to it. But c'mon.

Uh, man .. srsly? There are _SO_ many examples where data stored by some company got leaked or was outright misused by individuals or even teams...

Mh .. no but i actually have to call this belief/this gut feeling a techno primitive superstition.....

And sadly there are still a lot of those out there. mh ;)

in reply to hackbyte Antifa (friendica) 13HB1

It’s more about comparing a diffuse risk with a really personal risk. Sure, your data is misused by giant corporations, but you don’t know the people who exploited your data and you never will, which makes this risk almost abstract. You know it happens, but it rarely has any direct consequences for you, or you might not be able to link them with the corporation.

On the opposite side, there’s a smaller risk of a Mastodon admin reading your DMs, but it carries a risk of direct and personal consequences that may feel outsized because of how easy it is to imagine these consequences and link them to the admin.

in reply to Hypolite Petovan

@Hypolite Petovan Yeah, as i said, there is a huge disparity in the "feel" and "reality" parts of these problems. ;)

One should not assume any communication as safe at all, as long as one has seen to make it safer (by encrypting it)..

Btw .. uhm, how can the consequence of a private admin reading my private messages be greater than when a anonymous dude in a company reads it?

Disclaimer btw: I'm commenting from the perspective of being a BBS Sysop myself way back in the 90ies already - where things were different but exactly the same way as they are nowadays. ;)

in reply to Hypolite Petovan

@Hypolite Petovan @Jonathan Lamothe (he/him) Point 1) is true, but so for Twitter/Facebook and any other software that does not encrypt messages client-side. So in other words: If you write sensitive DMs, use client-side encryption and you don't have to trust your administrator. 2) Yes, including normal users, e.g. both on Friendica and Mastodon is known to me. You do this, when you feel to much annoyed of any accounts over there. 3) Yes, the administrator might want to move on and/or cannot effort to maintain his growing and growing instance like it happens now with mastodon.social . It is part of the dynamic that privately run instances suffer from. Still also commercial services can close, e.g. when the company behind it doesn't generate to much income to keep the servers running and maintaining the website (fixing bugs, adding new features, ...).

So these reasons are not only valid to the Fediverse, but of cause valid if any commercial social network.

in reply to Hypolite Petovan

For me the wider Federation experience I have on Friendica is " a mile wide and an inch deep." There's more to see, for sure, and lots more people to interact with, but most of that has been quips and quotes, memes, and snarky comments from microbloggers. My Diaspora experience has been deeper and more thoughtful, though with fewer people. I like macroblogging better. So my Friendica account is just going to be a back-up for this Diaspora account, which I think I'll just stick with. I enjoy it so much more.
in reply to Martijn Vos

I think that Friendica doesn’t have a clear publishing identity because it’s been supporting both macroblogging through the Diaspora protocol that’s clearly geared towards longer posts and less branching conversations, and microblogging through the OStatus protocol first, then ActivityPub which are both geared towards smaller statuses and infinite threads of quick replies.
in reply to Hypolite Petovan

Wait a second this blown my mind....🤯

Are you saying that Mastodon Admin have god pawa while the admins of Diaspora* and Friendica do not?

This would explain a lot things... Mastodon is slow, convoluted and cumbersome if compared to Diaspora and Friendica, never understood why became so popular...

But if I got it clearly now I totally understand the real reasons, and it is pretty scary how intelligence agencies are able to manipulate almost everything and while we are speaking against closed services like feisbuk and the likes, security agencies can achieves the same with collaborative and lesser collaborative admins... 🤔

in reply to Daniel

@Daniel slow, convoluted and cumbersome?

You realize that #mastodon servers right now absorb several new accounts per minute all over the place since this musk-twitter thing became public?

I understand why you like diaspora better than mastodon.

But then the #fediverse is bigger than just #mastodon, #diaspora, #friendica or whatever....

I strongly dislike the way you try to introduce sharp lines dividing the overall network.

in reply to Daniel

@Daniel No, Mastodon admins don’t have any more (or any less) powers than Friendica and Diaspora. An admin of any of these platforms can read DMs sent and received from/by their server given a modicum of technical know-how.

From my experience Mastodon sounds as cumbersome to install as Diaspora, Friendica being on the easier side.

Speed-wise, Mastodon is definitely snappier than both, not sure if it’s because it’s more efficient or generally installed on more powerful servers though.

in reply to Hypolite Petovan

Never mind guys I totally misunderstood what I read and therefore I made a wrong analysis.

However I was referring in terms of UI/UX, I have been using Mastodon for quite month and still find it cumbersome and counterintuitive, when eventually I got how to add personal columns with personal #hashtag it becomes so slow that I was pretty surprised. I added just two columns for a total of 8 hashtags; on Diaspora and Friendica I have an average of 60 hashtag and never get so poorly performance...

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in reply to Hypolite Petovan

@Martijn Vos Not at all. Friendica is great for macroblogging! And includes the ability to edit posts (and comments as well), Like and dislike both posts and comments. And it reaches users on multiple platforms. But in my very limited experience, it's a little more complicated. That's not a show stopper for me at all. I can even use Markup on Friendica as well as Diaspora instead of that forum format [stuff} [/stuff] whatever they call it that is default on Friendica. Fewer keystrokes.

My only bother is that it is mixed with all the little microblogging stuff that comes in my feed, even if I limit my feed to just people I follow. "A mile wide and an inch deep." I prefer Diaspora because I don't want all the little short toots and quips mixed in with more substantial posts. Just a personal preference.

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