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"people seem to be thinking of these protests as social events".

I'm not actually sure that's bad, though? Because maybe connecting with other people who are pissed off and fed up at the situation would be a good thing actually?

And maybe improving morale by getting together in big numbers and getting that energy going could be good too?

Not all protests are for the same purpose, and that's actually a good thing.

in reply to Artemis

I know there will be a whole bunch of normies at these protests, but we DO want to get the general public involved, don't we?
in reply to Artemis

Some folks I think are too caught up in an identity as “a protester” or “an activist” and so we (which I say bc I also fight against this tendency in myself” see a goofy-ass protest and struggle to reconcile what we are seeing with what we want to imagine ourselves being a protagonist in.

It doesn’t have to be like this — it’s totally ok to either not go to the goody thing and instead participate in a complimentary other rebellious activity, and also ok to go to the goofy thing just like many of us also regularly go to goofy-ass fuck shit like sporting events, 4th of July parades and pop concerts

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in reply to Luigi Muffingione

Right. The cop in our heads sometimes is the one saying "You aren't being radical and hardcore enough."
in reply to Spencer

@spencer and/or for me I think sometimes the cop in my head says “these other people should be more radical, how can I personally help radicalize them??” Nah, doesn’t have to be my responsibility all the time

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in reply to Luigi Muffingione

@riotmuffin @spencer I've thought that in the 90s and 00s, we massively over-emphasized mass demos, essentially relying on them alone. I think since then we massively over-corrected and failed to appreciate they have significant value.

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in reply to Artemis

All the contrarianism you're reporting makes me wonder what these people's model of radicalization or formation of a social movement really is.

Like... do they expect every liberal to be simultaneously visited by Santa Marx in one night, to awake fully clad in black bloc and with a copy of the Communist Manifesto on the nightstand?

I know that's a bit uncharitable, but yeesh. Can't we appreciate the value of beginning?

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in reply to Spencer

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in reply to Ludwig Vielfrass

@lerxst @spencer
Exactly. Most people are going to go through a *process*. Taking steps along the way is good actually.
in reply to Artemis

a street protest is a very social event. it is literally people gathering for a common purpose, having conversations, making connections they never would have before, getting agitated and educated, sharing information on upcoming protests and other actions to support. that is social af.

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in reply to Artemis

i would even argue that it's necessary at this stage? getting people together who hate this administration from all walks of life is how a movement is born
in reply to Artemis

especially when Fox and the rest of the faux billionaire news services lie through their fucking teeth about what is actually happening.

People need to SEE the lie. It's how they break through the crazy.

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in reply to Artemis

the news here was saying that the protests on saturday were the biggest ones in the nations history!

everyone who went out and protested literally made history

in reply to Artemis

I figure it's good practice, it's good for morale, it gets people connected, and it's a chance to hand out KYR and other educational literature

It's not a shooting war so what am I gonna do any given weekend? Sit home or protest? Protest.

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